Ugh, I liked Fox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE

I cant see the video you posted. But is it what the RP people are talking about?


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=79364

The Paulites found that the same guy was in both of Fox's NH Luntz focus groups. Wowza!

No wonder I thought that guy looked familiar! Someone needs to do a major fact check about these "Undecideds"!

This is insane and shocking. The media is rigging stuff -- if this gets out, voters will be incensed.

sorry about the comment on the bottom, it was already there, but here is a screen shot from both focus groups showing the same guy.

Wow. Did you guys see that 5-6 of these respondents actually supported Mitt before the group?

Luntz: How many of you walked in here supporting Mitt Romney?

I counted five hands, maybe 6 there was a hand on right that could go either way. So there were definitely two hands in the back, and three maybe four up close. The shot didn't show the whole crowd.

I thought undecided voters meant you weren't supporting any candidate when you walked in. So much for Luntz's screeners and for a group that was clearly tainted from the get go. Who knows how much deliberation came out before Luntz hit the air.

A woman named "Maggie," the first respondent asked by Luntz of "undecided voters" why she was supporting Mitt, was one of the 5/6 Mitt supporters who clearly raised her hand as a previous Mitt supporter going in.

So why did Luntz stack the deck and why did he go to a previous Mitt backer right from the get go when called on by Fox?

Correction...the first two people that Luntz went to after getting a show of hands were previous Romney supporters. The second was a older gentlemen who brought up Huckabee's "waffling on the first question."

Nothing to fear folks, Luntz clearly stacked the deck during the first part of this Q&A.

Also there were clearly 6, and possibly now, 7 previous Romney supporters. This group was anything but a group of undecideds.

Hey don't worry folks, Fox News will get to the bottom of this like they did with plants in the other debates :

"Democratic Backers Question GOP Candidates in YouTube Debate
Thursday , November 29, 2007

A number of questioners at a Republican debate Wednesday night appear to be supporters of Democratic candidates, leaving CNN, the host of the debate, open to criticism that it did not vet its guests and loaded the stack against the presidential contenders.

Keith Kerr of Santa Rosa, Calif., who revealed himself as gay, challenged the eight candidates via video message and from the audience at the St. Petersburg, Fla., debate, on the right of gays and lesbians to serve openly in the U.S. military.

The broadcast, however, failed to mention that Kerr, who served as a brigadier general in the reserves, is a member of a gay and lesbian steering committee for Democratic candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Read the Clinton campaign release naming Kerr to the steering committee.

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer has denied that the campaign had any knowledge ahead of time that Kerr was going to participate in the debate, and Kerr said he did not inform the campaign of his plans.

It turns out Kerr wasn't the only Democratic supporter asking questions. Ted Faturos, 20, a student at University of California, San Diego, asked a question about corn subsidies. It turns out the urban studies and planning major also worked as an intern for Democratic Rep. Jane Harman. John Hess, Harman's chief of staff, issued a statement Thursday saying Faturos is no longer affiliated with the office.

"Ted Faturos was a high school intern in our district office for the summer of 2004 only and has had no connection to the office or contact with the congresswoman since,” Hess said.

Elsewhere, one woman who identified herself as Journey from Texas, and who has a Web page in which she goes by the name Paperserenade asked the candidates about whether they would prosecute women and doctors if abortion were made illegal and the practice continued. After the debate, she posted a Web video wearing a John Edwards '08 T-shirt. In the posting, she said she was disappointed by the responses she got, particularly from Fred Thompson, though it's the answer she expected.

Another questioner, Leeann Anderson, asked about the danger of lead toys from China. Anderson, an activist on the issue, is reportedly an assistant to Leo Gerard, president of the United Steelworkers of America. The union endorsed Edwards earlier this month, and Anderson's question is posted on the steelworkers' YouTube page next to a picture of Edwards.

David McMillan, a screenwriter from Los Angeles who asked the candidates why they thought the vast majority of African Americans don't vote Republican, has pictures of himself on his Web site attending a fundraiser for Barack Obama as well as several parodies bashing current and former Bush administration officials Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales.

But McMillan told FOX News he attended the Obama fundraiser in Los Angeles in mid-August as well as an Edwards event the same night, "not as a supporter, but as 'citizen journalist.'" He added that for professional purposes, he would not announce his political affiliations or which candidate he may vote for next November.

As for Kerr, he has been an activist against the military's don't-ask-don't-tell policy for years. He appeared on CNN twice in 2003 discussing his opposition to the policy that says service men and women will be dismissed from service for revealing their gay orientation. But as if reading from that policy Wednesday, Kerr told FOX News that CNN "never asked" him if he is a Clinton supporter so he "never told."

Kerr submitted the question for Republican candidates at the video debate "a couple months ago," and said last Saturday CNN called him and said they'd like him to come to the debate. He said the cable news network paid for his flight, his hotel and his transportation to and from the event.

According to the Clinton campaign, members of Clinton's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Steering Committee have endorsed Hillary Clinton for president "in their individual capacity" and work with the campaign on several areas including political outreach, communications, policy advice and counsel and fundraising.

The retired officer said his activities with the Clinton campaign are minimal. He receives e-mails from the campaign and has been invited to a fundraiser in San Francisco. He said he offered to pay "some token amount like 100 bucks" to attend the fundraiser, but as of yet has given no contribution.

"I have not done any work. Several friends asked me if I would allow my name to be listed and I agreed. She's been such a strong advocate for gay rights," he told CNN on Thursday.

He added that he had been a Log Cabin Republican for a long time and recently changed from Republican to independent in California. He said he had supported the GOP but "these guys are just partisanly homophobic."

But not all the questioners at the debate were Democratic supporters. Jay Fox, who asked a question about the candidates' positions on gun control, confirmed to FOXNews.com that he is a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. He said that he had seen speculation online that he may have been a phony, but confirmed, "I actually am a Republican."

Fox, a senior film production major at Chapman University in Orange, Calif., said he is undecided but likes both Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo. He also said despite the safety lecture from Duncan Hunter after he tossed his gun in his video, he thought Hunter answered his question adequately.

Following the debate, CNN anchor Anderson Cooper said in a broadcast statement that Kerr's political ties to Clinton were unknown to the network.

"We don't know if he is still on it," said Cooper. "We are trying to find out that information. Certainly, had we had that information we would have acknowledged that in using his question, if we had used it all."

Afterward, Senior Vice President and Executive Producer of the debate, David Bohrman, issued a statement. "We regret this incident. CNN would not have used the General's question had we known that he was connected to any presidential candidate."

Watch Anderson Cooper's comments regarding the Hillary supporter.

During the debate, Kerr said he wanted to know why the GOP candidates think that "American men and women in uniform are not professional enough to serve with gays and lesbians."

Candidates Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney and John McCain all answered the question. Hunter said it would be "bad for unit cohesion" for openly homosexual people to serve in the ranks. Huckabee said the the Uniform Code of Military Justice states that such "conduct could put at risk the morale." Romney said that in the midst of a war is not the time to change policy, and he would listen to recommendations from military leaders. McCain said he respects the general's service to the nation but believes the leaders in the field when they say the present policy is working.

FOX News' Major Garrett contributed to this report."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313681,00.html

This seems undisputable enough and a good fit for the Drudge Report.

Ya know, guys, I don't think we're just wearing tin-foil hats. This is a serious problem that needs to be brought to light. People are influenced by the media, and this is absolutely unacceptable, deceptive, and wrong.

I'm writing a blog post about it right now. I would suggest for other bloggers to do the same. Don't act like a conspiracy theorist, but state the facts. Let Fox News know that you don't approve of this deception.

Another thing that really brought up a red-flag for me was the whole "Do you think that the results of Iowa have influenced your decisions?" The question was met with a chorus of "No's." I heard not one person answer in the affirmative. Fact is, New Hampshire has historically been affected by the results of Iowa, sometimes majorly, sometimes not, but there is a trend in that direction. What a load of baloney.

*sigh*

With debates coming up on January 10th, 24th, and the 30th. I think everybody living in California, Florida and South Carolina need to sign up to participate in Frank's focus groups.
http://www.luntz.com/contact.html

January 10, 2008: Fox News holds a Republican debate moderated by Brit Hume from South Carolina
January 24, 2008: MSNBC hosts a Republican Presidential debate from Florida Atlantic University
January 30, 2008: CNN and the Los Angeles Times host a debate of the Republican candidates in California

Wow... this really is undisputable evidence that Fox News has purposely stacked the deck in its post-debate coverage. There is one easy way to get this evidence out: We just need to show this evidence to every competing news outlet, especially CNN and MSNBC, know that this has happened. They will be more than happy to expose Fox News. And to think, I have been a huge fan of Fox News for a really long time. I really didn't expect this. I knew Hannity was biased, but this is totally different.

I went here to Luntz's site and posted a question:

http://www.luntz.com/contact.html

"Frank, how do you respond to the same guy being undecided in both debates?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQNdj3NqXE


I am going to send the Youtube link to other news agencies as well!

Bert

Send to CNN....I'm sure they'd love the opportunity to strike back at FOX after the pounding they got for their own vetting problems during the you tube debate.

Guys, this is just a thought. Since you can sign up to be in Luntz's focus groups, maybe the reason they always seem to come out stacked for Romney is that Romney supporters are spamming the sign-ups to ensure that their supporters make up the majority of those in the group.

I mean, have you ever noticed that every article you read about Mitt has about 50 comments below it by a bunch of people with fake names praising him?

Although I definitely wouldn't put it past Fox to be this low, I wouldn't put it past Romney's camp either.